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Memorable editing tales?

The more I get involved in Wiki editing and read Teahouse and Help Desk replies from senior editors, the more I’m curious if somewhere there’s a collection of stories about intriguing editing situations they’ve been been involved in over the years. I can just picture the old-timers sitting around a campfire under the stars sharing memorable tales.

Augnablik (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Some of this may be of interest:

• WP:HOAXLIST
• WP:LAME
• WP:PRESS 24
• WP:SIGNPOST
• Depths of Wikipedia
• Wikipediocracy
• User:JPxG/Oracle/Largest AfDs

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång … you’ve certainly expanded my to-do list exponentially! I delved into your first suggestion, WP:HOAXLIST, and found myself alternately in laughter and horror that so many hoaxes had actually gotten through Wikipedia’s security posts — even if they amount to only something like 1% of all posts. That’s 1% too many.

I think I have my reading all cut out for me over the next week, with your suggested list. Augnablik (talk) 09:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik One more: WP:CITOGENESIS. This [1] is a favorite of mine. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik You might find some of the 'hairiest tales' being dewscribed during the week-long discussion process when an editor applies to become an administrator. Quite ofte,n the applicants are asked to describe difficult or challenging editing situations they have found themselves having to deal with. You can read mine here, and you simply have to change the url by replacing the username of the editor you're interested in hearing more from.

Sometimes the questioners tease out fascinating issues the applicant has encountered - sometimes dealing with them well; other times not. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

My already long reading list provided by @Gråbergs Gråa Sång has expanded hugely with your suggestion to read “some of the ‘hairiest tales’ … during the week-long discussion process when an editor applies to become an administrator."

Actually, Nick, this will probably surprise you but it's the second time that I’ve read your write-up for your exam week. The first was a few months ago when, as has occurred with some frequency, you gave me a particularly helpful answer to one of my questions in the Teahouse. I don’t remember what that question was, but I do remember the deep resonance I felt. So I decided to find out more about you. When I went to your user page, I eventually found a link to your write-up.

Reading it made me feel an even closer bond with you and the other senior editors as well, even those I hadn’t yet connected with, as I became aware of some of the behind-the-scenes work you’ve all had to carry on. I think it must have been through reading your write-up that I felt an unusually strong sense of commitment to the Wikipedia mission and of belonging in its editor community that brought me to a much further point than no accumulation of editor points could have.

I hope all editors get to find out about such stories from your merry band. Augnablik (talk) 10:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

And for a (somewhat) fictitious cases, but based on "real" events, and also and to highlight the sometimes very pronounced hairiness of Wiki-bureaucracy, see WP:LIGHTBULB and Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man. Maybe also the BJAODN part of Wikipedia:Silly Things. Lectonar (talk) 11:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

😱 WP:LIGHTBULB is a scream, @Lectonar! Once recuperated from the acute hilarity attack it brought on, I'll get to your other suggestions. Augnablik (talk) 16:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik What a kind thing to say! Thank you. I'm glad my and others efforts here have inspired you. That's precisely what we need in order to ensure a good supply of younger enthusiastic and committed editors. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

"Younger" editors? If only you knew, Nick! 😂 Well, your other two adjectives fit me ("enthusiastic" and "committed").

Now, thanks to you and several others, I have my own private collection of memorable editing tales. Wish someone would do a great service and weave them together for the enjoyment of all involved in Wiki editing, from the badgeless to those with the largest badge collection. Augnablik (talk) 10:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, you are "someone" - did I hear you volunteering? WP:JUSTDOIT - Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay, I just checked WebMD to see what might account for your question and this is what I found out:

”If what you heard really doesn’t have a source, it might be an ‘auditory hallucination.’” 😂 Augnablik (talk) 10:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Another one for your collection:[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, you’ve contributed to this thread several times now, and you seem to be an editor who might have quite a badge collection in addition to memorable editing tales … how about you taking this project ahead? Augnablik (talk) 10:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I edit pages like WP:PRESS 24 quite a bit, I also add items to "This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:" when I find them (see Talk:Recession for an example). With those and the other pages, I think the area is reasonably covered (with some bonus-content on my userpage). We also have a, thankfully small, number of WP-articles about WP-content, see Category:Wikipedia content. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question

hello, i was wondering when i can use the twinkle bot because it doesnt let me use it. GoodHue291 (talk) 23:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291 You need to be WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, meaning you need to have made at least 10 edits and have created your account at least four days ago. You'll have to make at least another 6 edits and wait at least another 3 days. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. GoodHue291 (talk) 20:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Unclaimed Moneys in Banks in the U K

I recently discovered my Father left me Money in 1955, as per his Probated Will. I never knew where my Father banked. Frustrated after writing to banks and Building Societies, I wrote to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, no real response from any of them. Registered with the Web Site 'My lost Account' for the second time, again nothing. as I understand Dormant Accounts after 15 years Banks forward the moneys to the Government for safe keeping. How and when do the Banks Transfer the Moneys, and which Department receives it. I am 89 so 69 years have passed since my Father died, there must be some Bank employees out there who can direct me, please do so. Jamiesonandy (talk) 04:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jamiesonandy: The Teahouse is for asking questions for how to use Wikipedia. We can't help with other matters. RudolfRed (talk) 04:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jamiesonandy: For the general question How and when do the Banks Transfer the Moneys, and which Department receives it, you may ask this at WP:RD/H. But note that reference desks are not a place of legal or personal advice, and the question could only be asked as a general curiosity question. Also Wikipedia is not a forum. Thanks, ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of an Article

Hi team,

I've added an article with title Bridge India, but it keeps getting removed. Can I get what exact thing I must do to keep it live and prevent it's removal? Prathmesh9309 (talk) 14:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Prathmesh9309 Welcome to the Teahouse. There are several messages about this on your Talk Page and the links to the deletion discussions give information suggesting that experienced editors thought the content was promotional, not encyclopaedic. Please read carefully the links at the top of your Talk Page about what is expected in articles (summarised at WP:YFA). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Please can I ask you a question please 🙏🏿 Draykaayrg (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Draykaayrg Please do so in your own thread (above) so as not to confuse your question with Prathmesh9309's. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:18, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok I won't Draykaayrg (talk) 15:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Your article was moved to Draft:Bridge India. Work on it there and submit it for review, but not before you address all the concerns in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bridge India. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Picture

Hi I upload a picture I made on Wikimedia Commons on my personal page. I tried to link it to an article in Wikipedia as I already did many times, but it shows only as a downloadable/clicable line of text instead of a thumbnail... On Wikimedia Commons, my picture shows properly, but for an unknown reason I can't seems to be able to use it on Wikipedia... Can someone help me by explaining me what I do wrong? Thanks F. M F Gervais (talk) 16:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

M F Gervais, there's a file on Commons at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:M_F_Gervais_Monarchs_of_Spain.pdf but it's 0 × 0 pixels. Is that the one you're tryinhg to use? Maproom (talk) 17:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but on commons it seems to show properly? Or did I do something wrong? M F Gervais (talk) 18:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

For me, it does not show properly, or indeed at all, on Commons. As its size is reported as 0x0 pixels, I'm not surprised. Maproom (talk) 19:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I've just found that I can download it from Commons, and then view it in Chrome. Something is wrong somewhere (but not at en:Wikipedia). I suggest you ask about it on the Help Desk at Commons. Maproom (talk) 20:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@M F Gervais, ask for help on Commons at their Village Pump. It is very strange. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:M_F_Gervais_Monarchs_of_Spain.pdf says it has 0x0 pixels but links to https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/M_F_Gervais_Monarchs_of_Spain.pdf which is all there. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@M F Gervais: MediaWiki tries to display PDF files as a PNG image of one of the pages. Something in the file appears to be incompatible with MediaWiki so this conversion doesn't work. I don't know whether the problem is in the file or MediaWiki. Anyway, PDF is not an image format but a file format which can hold multi-page documents. It's better to upload an image file like PNG or JPG if a PDF file is only used for one image. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Is my request done correctly?

Plz see

Talk:History of Palestine#"Palestine" Is Not a Country Johnywhy (talk) 16:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

It was opposed and  Not done for the reason of

Not done. Wikipedia is not here for you to push a POV, make WP:FORUM speeches or to berate other editors. Edit requests need to be simple and straightforward, require no argumentation and EC editors will decide whether to implement them. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{I killed JFK} 13:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

How can Edit Requests Exclude Reasons?

I was told that edit requests should not include reasons for the requested edit. How does that make any sense? Johnywhy (talk) 17:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Who told you this, and where?(could you link to it?) 331dot (talk) 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it was on your user talk page. What they mean is that edit requests are for edits that are simple and uncontroversial- where the reason is obvious. If you have to give a lot of reasons, it's not simple and should be handled with a discussion to establish a consensus, not an edit request. 331dot (talk) 17:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

"should be handled with a discussion"

How and where do i initiate that discussion?

Johnywhy (talk) 17:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Johnywhy, you are not an Extended confirmed editor, and therefore you are not permitted to engage in substantive discussions about articles in the Arab/Israeli conflict topic area until you reach that status. Only then can you begin such a discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 17:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Johnywhy A better link to explain Extended Confirmed is at WP:XC. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Is it correct to say that a person who isn't an Extended Confirmed editor may submit edit requests using the Edit Request Wizard for Protected pages? Johnywhy (talk) 01:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@Johnywhy: Editors that aren't extended confirmed are allowed to make edit requests in controversial areas, provided that the request is not controversial. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:EDITXY Selfstudier (talk) 10:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Finding a non-controversial edit related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will likely be difficult- that's why the topic area has such stringent restrictions. The community needs to see that you can edit dispassionately before permitting you to contribute in that area- that's the reason for the EC restrictons. If you think your proposed edit is at all controversial- meaning that its entirely possible someone could disagree with it- you shouldn't request it. As a practical matter that would be limited to things like spelling or grammar fixes, nothing substantive. 331dot (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Looking for an editor to write an article (Short Bio and Work)

Hi there, I'm looking for an editor to write an article (Short Bio and Work) on Wikipedia since we can do it ourselves. Ideally I want to pay adequatively a contribution that can help Wikipedia itself. Can you help? Arnaud Ahmed Segla (talk) 19:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

In general, we're not keen on paid editing (it's barely tolerated). In particular, if a subject isn't notable enough for a Wikipedia article, then paying someone isn't going to fix that. -- D'n'B-t -- 19:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

You were not notable in Wikipedia terms back in 2019 when you first attempted an article, it is clear from a quick Google search that this is still the case, be VERY wary of paying someone to create this for you, you will be scammed and you will still not have an article about you. Theroadislong (talk) 19:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Theroadislong is right, and what he says is well-intentioned. Now that you've posted here, you may be contacted privately by scammers. (A well-intentioned person would respond here.) Maproom (talk) 20:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Contributions to Wikipedia and the encyclopedias (English and all others) are entirely separate entities. Contributing to the former has no impact on the latter. David notMD (talk) 01:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Proper citation

I'm making an edit on a page, but need assistance with proper citation. Note this article; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Webcomics_are_no_good_as_sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muses_in_popular_culture#:~:text=A%20character%20from%20the%20internet%20fiction%20series%20Homestuck%20is%20named%20Calliope,%20since%20they%20are%20a%20%22Muse%20of%20Space%22. This article is about references to the greek muses in popular culture. The fact stated is without a doubt true, but the above article says "Webcomic characters aren't "noted experts" of the fiction they live in" To fix the citation I could quote the webcomic page directly, or a fandom page on the character. I've never cited a page before as well and require assistance. TerraFantasy (talk) 20:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

In this one case, you could likely cite the comic itself. The primary citation does not establish notability, however. You could also try looking around the internet for sources. Do not use Fandom as it is User Generated Content. ✶Quxyz✶ 20:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

There is not alot of info on how to cite webcomics. Would I use the citation rules for normal comic strips? TerraFantasy (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

If you are on the visual editor, if you click on the quote button and then click on website, you can just fill in all the information. Note that fanmade or pirated content would not be able to be cited; but if it is an online version of a text published by the original author it can be cited per WP:Primary on a limited number of basic things. To switch between visual and source editor, you can click a dropdown button near the top on the screen. ✶Quxyz✶ 21:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Formatting help.

How can I turn the footnote 13 in this article into a "note 1" note and why is it broken ? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fusajiro_Yamauchi&oldid=1223861452 Maxime12346 (talk) 20:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maxime12346, for putting it into a note, see Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: groups. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maxime12346, and for putting references correctly inside a note see Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: embedding references. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I used this to make my edit : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Explanatory_notes. How are these different and in which cases should they be used ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Explanatory_notes Maxime12346 (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Linked accounts in languages I don't speak

Hi, I accidentally created local Wikipedia accounts of languages I don't speak from my global Wikipedia account. Is there a way to remove them?

Thanks in advance! Nelisd8 (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nelisd8, welcome to the Teahouse. A local account is automatically created if you view any page while already logged in at a Wikimedia wiki. It's normal to have a lot of accounts created this way. They cannot be removed. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Formating help again.

I have been reading the Footnotes pages again and again and I can't see what is wrong. Why won't the [13] turns into [note 1] ? Why is there an error message ? What is wrong here ? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fusajiro_Yamauchi&oldid=1223880271 Please tell me the exact thing that is wrong and what characters I need to change exactly to make this work. I need you to be very clear because of my autism. Maxime12346 (talk) 22:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Maxime12346, your question is somewhat confused, so let's take this stage by stage. In one "Cite web" template, you have website=https://www.jti.com/about-us. That produces a syntax error, because the value of the attribute "website" may not be a URL. Correct it to, for example, website=JTI. (I am assuming that you are editing the "source". I know nothing about the "visual editor".) -- Hoary (talk) 23:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Making one of those biography boxes on the left of almost every Wikipedia article.

I don't know what it's called but, in my work, creating an article of Ayten Gökçer I want to know how to make one of those boxes on the far left of almost ever Wikipedia article that contains a picture and info about that topic. Advice for creating one would help with some of my other work too but if you want to make on yourself with this article please tell me how to make one for future use. Thanks, Fewsnake. Fewsnake (talk) 22:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Fewsnake. Those are called infoboxes. There are a ton of them, each tuned to the types of information most appropriate for a certain type of article. One way to learn exactly how it's done (what information to put in each fied, etc.) is to look at a page of interest in the wiki editor. For an actor, that would be {{Infobox person}}. DMacks (talk) 23:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! This is really helpful! Fewsnake (talk) 23:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Is it better to edit Wikipedia with a tablet or a laptop and what operating system is best?

I'm curious to hear from you whether it is better to edit with a tablet (maybe with a keyboard) or a laptop. I currently have a laptop running Windows and I know that editing Wikipedia on a smartphone isn't ideal since editing is designed for bigger screens. The boundary between a tablet and a laptop is blurring since you can do basic tasks easily with both devices. I'm curious to know if anyone has edited Wikipedia with an iPad or Android, a Mac, or a Chromebook and their opinions on editing. What are some things you can do easily with those platforms and what are some challenges related to editing that should be noted? Interstellarity (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I edit on a computer, and I think that it is superior. It has more data processing so it's less laggy. The keys are easy to edit quickly with and the screen is big enough for any article. The only downside is that it is not that portable. (Laptops are probably "technically portable" because of their small size.) Fewsnake (talk) 23:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Whether or not the device has a full-sized keyboard is the most important for me. By "full-sized" I don't mean whether or not it's as big as a (now antique) Northgate keyboard; I'm referring to the distance between the centre of the Q key and the centre of the P key (assuming that it's a Qwerty layout). I might prefer the combination of full-sized keyboard and the OS I loathe most to that of miniaturized input device and the OS I like most. (My laptop is "practicably portable" because of its small size and trivial weight; but I move it around very little as I don't want to risk having its SSD fall in the wrong hands.) If you're tired of Windows, note that you can install an alternative OS. Please don't attempt to start a discussion about which OS is best; you'll find discussions ad nauseam if you care to look for them. -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Here is a different perspective: I have done the vast majority of my editing for many years on smartphones. I have written many articles including Good articles on smartphones. I became an active administrator six years ago on a smartphone. I have answered thousands of questions here at the Teahouse and also at the Help Desk on smartphones. A smartphone is a miniature computer. I wrote an essay called User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. Cullen328 (talk) 23:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I always edit with a laptop. I start with off-line documents stored on my computer where I collect all my notes from various reliable references. If I have trouble finding needed data I may spend months working on a note file. If I’m going to rewrite a paragraph or two of an article I first work on it offline so that I don’t feel rushed to finish a project before I’ve put sufficient time into it. (I do search for online reliable sources to use in my offline projects, plus I have a collection of printed reference books on favorite subjects.)

I usually have multiple Wikipedia projects I’m working on offline, for sometimes I temporarily set aside some of them, if I become more motivated to work on a different subject. I am an older Baby Boomer female editor, and spent most of my writing life without Internet in my home, so I never got out of the habit of working offline before its time to publish my work. This is what works for me, but everyone needs to find the process that they are most comfortable with.

Karenthewriter (talk) 00:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for sharing your opinions. I appreciate it. Interstellarity (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

How does OR works? Pl. join @ WP:NORN

Requesting experienced users, who know how OR and synth works, to pitch in a little at No original research/Noticeboard, since the question asked likely to be interest of new as well as experienced users both. Bookku (talk) 04:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Template parameter formatting

Hello! I hope your day is good. I am trying make a userbox, and I am learning template parameters. I have the userbox in my sandbox. I want there to be a parameter where the user can write it like {{[...]quadball|position}} and it will read as "This user plays quadball as a position" and they can fill in position with whatever they like. I've managed to get that after some learning, but I'd like the template to also be able to just say "This user plays quadball" if no parameter is filled in, but I've read through WP:PARAMETER and I'm still stuck. This is an exercise for me in learning templates, so please explain how it works even if it is not possible in userboxes. Thank you so much!! -- NotCharizard ^🗨 04:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Just to make sure I understand, you will have two parameters, identified by position (1 and 2) rather than name. You want to display some text that contains the first parameter. And you want to display some text that contains the second parameter but only display if there is a second parameter given. The positional parameters are identified as {{{1}}} and {{{2}}}. Each of those expands to whatever value is passed, so you can write "foo {{{1}}} bar" and the value of the first parameter will be filled in. If no value is passed, it expands to nothing. You can use conditional expressions to take different actions depending on various values. See Help:Conditional expressions#Using #if for an example of checking whether a parameter has a value. DMacks (talk) 04:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

The link for using the "if" parameter is exactly what I needed! Thank you so much!! I'm super greatful. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 05:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

How to create a Wikipedia page for a public figure?

Hello,

How do I create a Wikipedia page for a public figure in India? I tried creating one in Sandbox and it got declined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AKumarmk%2Fsandbox&oldid=prev&diff=1223923706

Best,

Kiran Kumar Kumarmk (talk) 06:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kumarmk Have you read and understood the reason it was declined? That contains the things you need to do. Please read HELP:YFA as well, and return to this thread if anything is unclear. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Your draft User:Kumarmk/sandbox completely fails every one of the points made in WP:Golden Rule. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Unless you can provide references to what people have written about him, there is no potential for your draft to be accepted. David notMD (talk) 10:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

New rules to question reliable sources?

I am very confused. For a second time recently (two or three days) cited content is removed from Lillie Rosa Minoka Hill - or cited content is modified without a new source here and here - because the users are assuming that she is:

• not Mohawk, although there are reliable sources, and it's said in everything I have read about her so far
• Due to federal government Blood quantum laws and her mixed-race heritage - her father is Quaker - she is not a citizen of any Native American tribe. That is true and cited in the article. It was a means of limiting the number of people that could vote on issues relating to them. I think they are taking this to mean that she's not a Native American, but again, there are sources that she's a Native American, she worked for clinics and befriended many "other Native American" women
• "Minoka was the second Native American woman in the United States to obtain a medical degree, after Susan La Flesche Picotte (Omaha)". - is cited in the body of the article but removed again from the intro and "known for". There is no other known person that I am aware of that has this distinction (i.e., there's not a group of Native American or other American people that wanted to ignore her)

Because of the assumptions, they have said that Minoka-Hill is a self-identified Mohawk, when it appears that is all she has ever been told about herself, from her mother's side of the family. This, I think, is the crux of the issue and relates to this essay. I don't see in this essay that cited content should be removed become of someone's thoughts.

This last time was after I posted a message here at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America page. I question trying to remove content based upon unpublished beliefs as what seem to me to be verifiability and original research issues.

Sorry this is long. Has something changed that I am unaware of? At first, I really thought it was possible I was being pranked. The first person (we had extended talk page conversation at Talk:Lillie Rosa Minoka Hill is not a new user who is unaware of Wikipedia guidelines.

Please help - I wasn't sure if this is a third-opinion, ANI, or some other issue. How should this be handled? I feel like I can make the corrections and the article will be modified again.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I could post a don't remove cited content and sources needed for new content message, but I am just not wanting to take the wrong step here. Is that appropriate here - or is some kind of review needed first about why this is happening?–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CaroleHenson. I am not sure why you think that the Teahouse is the place for a complex content assessment which belongs at Talk: Lillie Rosa Minoka Hill, not here. That being said, the article in its current form is shot through with subjective and non-neutral assertions. Somebody willing to dig into the reliable sources about this person needs to do a major cleanup to bring the article into compliance with the Neutral point of view which is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 07:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, Thanks so much for responding. I didn't know where to go.

I just posted a message about returning "self-identifying Mohawk" uncited / within an existing source that doesn't cover that.

I was just about to work on "tone" - which sounds like where you are coming from. Is there a source or sources that you think should be removed from the article?

How can I do the work if the article continues to add uncited content?

Thanks so much! Well, it makes me feel better that it's complex - like this isn't out of the blue.–CaroleHenson (talk) 07:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

CaroleHenson, Wikipedia articles do not add content themselves because they are not sentient entities. Human beings add content. Engage in discussion with those other human beings at Talk: Lillie Rosa Minoka Hill as I recommended earlier. Only if that is not effective should you then try the various forms of dispute resolution that are available to you. In other words, do your best to try to resolve the dispute with the other editor first. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha about working through the issues, I took a stab at that here. I posted a message on one of the user's talk page. I will copy that to the article talk page.

If you have some specific feedback about the problem - specific sources you think shouldn't be used, etc. that would be nice.–CaroleHenson (talk) 07:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, Oncamera is taking over. Thanks for your help.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Article might have to be draft-ified, it's far from suitable for Wikipedia article standards.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 08:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Per sources like [3][4], WP:GNG shouldn't be a problem. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Multiple uses of "efn" template

Is it possible to reference the same "efn" footnote more than once, without the note appearing twice in the Notes section? Wafflewombat (talk) 07:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

An "Efn" note? Yes. As a ferinstance:

He claimed to have learned Hamlet, in its entirety, by the age of ten.{{efn|name=precocity_debate|The claim has been questioned; see "[[#Doubts|Doubts]]".}} He also claimed to have piloted his mother's Cessna at twelve.{{efn|name=precocity_debate}}

-- Hoary (talk) 08:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you! Wafflewombat (talk) 08:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

I have made an edit request on the Ahir talk page but it got no reply nor did anyone add to it. Can anyone help me here? Can anyone add my edit request to the Ahir article? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4085:8d1d:4b36::8849:da09 (talk) 07:12, May 15, 2024

Hello. Your edit request was not properly formatted and is likely to be ignored. An edit request should say "Change specific language X to specific language Y, and reliable source Z verifies the change I want to make". So, make your edit request that way with a template, and maybe another editor will respond. Cullen328 (talk) 07:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Our Wikipage Rejecting issue how to solve

I am already many times try to create our organization Wikipedia new page, but not successful our page was rejected always. our Wikipedia page was "P. Naveenkumar. M.E (Atchayam Trust)". this name display in google . but our content not showing. how to rectify. please help to guide me. HomeforAtchayam2014 (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Atchayam Home (Atchayam Trust) is blatant promotion, Wikipedia is not a platform for marketing your organisation. Theroadislong (talk) 08:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I noticed the "many times" bit, are you related to Arulkrishna2096? Pahunkat (talk) 08:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@HomeforAtchayam2014 In early May I rejected five drafts you have created and marked each for deletion. Stop creating these. Qcne (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 11:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

The use of "Fox" vs "FOX" for Fox Corporation brands

One of the edits I made while editing "List of 9-1-1 episodes" was shortening the hotlink "Fox Broadcasting Company" to "FOX". After revisiting this page, I began to wonder if the title should be typed in as "Fox" or as "FOX"? After investigating and reviewing the different websites for the Fox Corporation brands, I discovered they all use "FOX" except for when talking about the name of the Fox Corporation itself throughout it's own website, https://www.foxcorporation.com/businesses/, https://www.foxcorporation.com/management/executive-team/, https://investor.foxcorporation.com/static-files/59e636f7-2b1f-455e-b140-5e39a80d8975.

By selecting the About Us hotlink within the Fox Corporation website, https://www.foxcorporation.com/about-us/, it takes you to a page that demonstrates the use of "FOX" when talking about its brands:

"Under the FOX banner, we produce and distribute content through some of the world’s leading and most valued brands, including: FOX News Media, FOX Sports, FOX Entertainment, FOX Television Stations and Tubi Media Group. We empower a diverse range of creators to imagine and develop culturally significant content, while building an organization that thrives on creative ideas, operational expertise and strategic thinking..."

To me this implies that "Fox" as used in Fox Corporation is the only iteration where this happens. All other Fox Corporation brands use "FOX". This would included FOX News Media, FOX Sports, FOX Entertainment, FOX Television Stations and even the FOX Broadcasting Company. It should also be noted that Fox Corporation refers to itself as "FOX" throughout its website. An example of this can also be found in second paragraph of the About Use page:

"...We have long been a leader in news, sports and entertainment programming, achieving strong revenue growth and profitability in a complex industry environment over the past several years. FOX will continue to invest across our businesses, allocate resources toward investments in higher growth initiatives and take advantage of strategic opportunities, including potential acquisitions across the range of the media categories in which we operate."

My question is whether or not the use of "Fox" should be changed to "FOX" in all instances where it is found site wide except for Fox Corporation? This would include but not limited to:

Fox Broadcasting Company, Fox News Media, Fox Sports, Fox Entertainment, and Fox Television Stations.

knighstalker (talk) 10:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@KnighsTalker: MOS:ALLCAPS and MOS:TMRULES say it should be "Fox". Bazza 7 (talk) 11:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Wiki was not accepted due to not enough coverage

This is for the coach in the article, are these articles sufficient?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4855322/2023/09/14/madueke-chelsea-isaksson-hurst-skills/

ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7815755/Meet-150-hour-private-coach-working-Premier-League-stars-academy-wonderkids.html

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12922548/folarin-balogun-one-of-the-most-exciting-number-nines-in-world-football

Please see bio below.

Many thanks!

Saul Isaksson Hurst is an individual skills development coach and has coached in Premier League Academy Football clubs including Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur FC. He now works one-to-one and his clients include Premier League Serie A and Ligue 1 players including Samuel Iling Jnr (Juventus) Noni Madueke (Chelsea) Flo Balogun (Monaco), Reiss Nelson (Arsenal) Max Aarons (Bournemouth) Rico Henry (Brentford) Saul is regarded as one of the worlds leaders in individual development. Saul also works with Professional Football Clubs and Federations as a consultant supporting individual technical development. He founded the app Mypersonalfootballcoach in 2013. An app created to improve technical football skills which has been utilised by the Academies of clubs including Arsenal FC. Rosalinda19 90 (talk) 13:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Rosalinda19 90: the first one, I can't tell, as it's behind a paywall. The other two do little to help establish the subject's notability, as they're based on what the subject said, and so not independent. Maproom (talk) 15:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd say the NYT counts, it's a lot of "he says" but there is coverage of him in there too. The Skysport is just him talking, and then there's the WP:DAILYMAIL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Links diverting

Hi Guys,

I'm new to Wikipedia editing but have some time in web development etc. I've noticed an article that has external links diverting to different sites to what they are listed for.

White-collar boxing

This article has a link claiming to be to London Evening Standard and another to white collar boxing charity championship. Should I just delete these links?

Sorry if this is an obvious question i just wanted to check before I made the edit.

Many thanks

@DAMOP12 DAMOP12 (talk) 14:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi DAMOP12, welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for your interest and asking. Many websites die or remove pages. Sometimes the domain is taken over and gets unrelated content. We usually don't just remove dead links but mark them as dead or look for a replacement. See Wikipedia:Link rot. The London Evening Standard link shows the title was "The Gloves are on – London's Boxing Boom". A Google search easily found https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/the-gloves-are-on-londons-boxing-boom-6384731.html. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter, I pointed that back at the original article and found something more relevant to point the other one at, I hope this is correct. Many thanks DAMOP12 08:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Article assessed as a redirect over 3 years ago

There was an article I have recently created (1997 Prairie Dell-Jarrell tornado) which was assessed as a redirect 3 years ago and doesn't show up as "unassesed" anywhere else do to this. Is there a way to fix that, or remove the "redirect" assessment? Thanks! :) MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 15:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27: What makes you think it's assessed as a redirect? Talk:1997 Prairie Dell-Jarrell tornado is in several categories for unassessed articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

On the "page statistics" tool, it says it was already assessed as a redirect, and if I am correct then it won't show up on the respective project pages, and it will most likely not be rated for an extended period of time. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 15:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27: I don't know where that tool gets the assessment data from but there was a redirect version today [5] and the talk page apparently needed a null edit to update link tables so I have done that. The assesment has now changed in the tool. The talk page is in many categories like Category:Unassessed Texas articles where editors can find it but I don't know where interested editors are most likely to look. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, that must be why. Thanks! :D MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 16:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

If you want to get an article assessed you can always ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment#Requesting an assessment. Reconrabbit 17:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Cluster sources

How to cluster multiple citations and sources leading to different websites into one note? I have already seen many help pages but I think they are not of the 'normal webpage citation' format I want. Thanks, ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I think you use multiple {{Cite web}} templates inside a single <ref></ref>. Best, ayakanaa ( t ) 16:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor No, the best way to do this is via a WP:CITEBUNDLE, with use of the template {{Unbulleted list citebundle}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ayakanaa and Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks for response and answer. Also I find Help:Citation merging good too for bulleted list. I have thus clubbed the multiple sources I had provided at Talk:Robert Fico in good looking way by this. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Can you help tell if this photo is copyrighted?

I want to upload this photo but dont want it to get deleted is there in an easy way to tell if its copyrighted? please help soon. Thank you! Shane emihovich (talk) 18:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Shane emihovich. Yes, the photo is copyrighted because it is not in the public domain. The file page says that the photo is your own work and also says This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license. Did you take this photo yourself? If so, it is properly licensed. If not, the license is invalid and the photo must be deleted. Cullen328 (talk) 18:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

The photo appears on this website, which contains a copyright notice. Cullen328 (talk) 18:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Shane emihovich Well, in the strictest sense, it almost certainly is, since basically, anything with a modicum of creativity is under copyright the moment it's set down in some fixed form. Formally registering a work for copyright does provide benefits, but it doesn't MAKE copyright. This photograph does not look nearly old enough that copyright would have expired. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Inquery

Hello, I came on the Teahouse to question about links and how to mask the link. I want to be able to add a link into text so when you click on the text it brings you to the link. IS this possible? GoodHue291 (talk) 18:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

yes. Try WP:PIPE. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{I killed JFK} 19:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I need someone to upload a image of a Morula echinata to the Wikimedia Commons

funny story im banned from the Commons so can someone please help Dr Jackson is not rweal (talk) 20:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

No, we won't help you to evade your block or ban from Commons. 331dot (talk) 20:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

There's information on how to appeal a block at commons over at Commons:Blocking_policy#Appealing_a_block. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dr Jackson is not rweal It appears you're not banned or blocked from Commons. In fact, this account isn't registered on Commons yet. Do you have another account? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

no it's my IP address Dr Jackson is not rweal (talk) 19:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

B+Class articles

So i was just chilling on Template:Icon because I was trying to add that negative fail sign for a GAR but then I saw a B+ class article icon. Anyone know what this is? 48JCL (talk • contribs) 00:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@48JCL: Where did you see the B+ icon? RudolfRed (talk) 00:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Scroll down. 48JCL (talk • contribs) 01:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed 48JCL (talk • contribs) 01:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Tasty! And a B+ article may be on its way to becoming a very special GA. -- Hoary (talk) 02:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

It already existed in the past and was removed 48JCL (talk • contribs) 20:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Fair use image

I would like to find a better leading image for the Luke Skywalker page. I would like to find a fair-use image of similar quality to the one used on the Princess Leia page. How would I go about doing that? I've checked Wikimedia Commons and there aren't any good images on there. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not surprised you could not find any fair-use images of that character on Commons. By site policy, non-free images are prohibited there altogether. Those sorts of files are allowed in limited circumstances locally here on enwiki, but only if they are actually in use in an article, so there would not be any unused alternatives lurking for you to find here. DMacks (talk) 03:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you think it's appropriate to use a fair-use image for that page? In my humble opinion, the current image is pretty terrible. If it's okay to use a fair-use image, how would I go about finding one? Wafflewombat (talk) 03:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I do think a fair-use image is appropriate there since I can't see how we could avoid that situation. The current ones (Luke and Leia) appear to be stills from the various movies (even though the files we have were taken from an intermediate website rather than directly from a known time-stamp in the film itself). That seems like a reasonable source, since the topic is these characters in those films. DMacks (talk) 04:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: Given the popularity of Star Wars, I suggest you be WP:CAUTIOUS here and discuss the changes you think need to made at Talk:Luke Skywalker before uploading any new images or replacing/removing any existing images from the article. You can even seek feedback from WP:STARWARS. Although Wikipedia encourages us ot be WP:BOLD, I suspect that the image use in this particular article is probably something that has been discussed before and a consensus was likely established in favor of the images currently being used. Finally, one important thing to remember when it comes to image use is that fair use and non-free content use aren't exactly the same thing; Wikipedia's non-free content use policy was set up to be much more restrictive than fair use; so, it's probably best to avoid using the two terms interchangeably when it comes to Wikipedia since they're not exactly equivalent in meaning. That's another good reason for seeking input on the article's talk page or from WikiProject Star Wars. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the input! I created a post on the talk page as you suggested. Wafflewombat (talk) 05:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

​ You might want to also post a Template:Please see on WT:STARWARS as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Request to raise the protection policy level of Alice Guo's personal page in response to current developments.

Hi, I have never commented or edited anything on Wikipedia, and I don't even have an account. I look at articles fairly often and I was looking into Alice Guo (Philippine Mayor) in response to recent national developments in the Philippines regarding allegations to her place of birth, legitimacy of her citizenship, and her relationship to the Chinese mob. Since this topic has recently developed and seems like it will grow into a bigger issue, I was wondering if anyone who qualified was interested in raising the protection level the Wikipedia page for Alice Guo in order to protect it from vandalism, and spread of unconfirmed information. I think it qualifies as at least semi protected, at least until the topic is no longer covered by the media.

edit: as an edit, I provided a news source to current events https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/2024/5/8/hontiveros-questions-nationality-of-bamban-town-mayor-1812

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Guo Loversduet (talk) 03:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Loversduet: You can make a request at WP:RFPP. Articles are only protected if there is ongoing vandalism or disruption, pages are not protected proactively. You can use the article's talk page to start a discussion to resolve any content disputes. RudolfRed (talk) 04:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Before requesting protection, please do look at the history in order to decide if you want to request semi-protection vs full-protection. Is it just IPs and new editors involved (with long-standing accounts making good-faith edits, even if the edits do not always survive)? Or are long-standing accounts making bad-faith or otherwise-disruptive edits also? DMacks (talk) 04:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I have protected the article in the meantime; the talk-page remains open for discussions. Lectonar (talk) 10:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

editing

Dear Editor!

I am Sci1972 and I have a question:

I just would like to submit a book reference: Author(s): Harvey Segur (auth.), Prof. Dr. Anjan Kundu (eds.)

Tsunami and Nonlinear Waves

Publisher: Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg, Year: 2007

ISBN: 978-3-540-71255-8,978-3-540-71256-5

to the Tsunami wikipedia page. May I do it? Sci1972 (talk) 10:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Sci1972, just ten minutes after asking this question, you went ahead and added it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I need some urgent advice

Hi,

I have never wrote in this board, I hope someone can help me. I paid someone in March to create a wikipedia page that I needed and last week he wrote to me to tell me the page was put into drafts - I didn't know what that meant so I spent a few hours researching and then I told him, not only that he has told me that because I have tried to edit my own page I will never be able to create a page under my name. I am shocked this could happen. Any advice? I would appreciate it very much EUFilm (talk) 11:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@EUFilm Please tell us the name of the article you are asking about 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

The article was Teresa Lavina but I can not longer see it as it has been deleted

I sked for my money back he is not giving it to me, thanks for the advice EUFilm (talk) 12:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@EUFilm was it this draft? Draft:Teresa_Lavina. It was not deleted, but moved to draft as it was written by an undisclosed paid editor (the person you paid), which is against our Terms of Service. Qcne (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@EUFilm I'm sorry to say that you almost certainly have been scammed. That linked page gives details. We do have a process where articles can start as drafts (see WP:AfC) and in some cases published pages are returned to draft because, usually, the topic is not shown to be notable in the way Wikipedia defines that. Ask for your money back! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Draft:Teresa Lavina exists 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

There is still a draft at Draft:Teresa Lavina. Lectonar (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I created that myself this morning, but I cant publish it, he said I will never be able to have an article about me. I am actually concerned cause I do not manage wikipedia well at all EUFilm (talk) 12:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Actually it is that one I think! Draft:Teresa Lavina yes it is! EUFilm (talk) 12:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Creating editor indeffed.

@EUFilm I hope you get your money back 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

TBH I don't think I will, he actually blocked my other account too so I had to create a new one EUFilm (talk) 12:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry you have had this experience, @EUFilm.

If it helps, you can edit the draft at Draft:Teresa Lavina as long as you abide by our guidelines on writing autobiographies and make a conflict of interest disclosure.

If you feel that you have edited the draft to the extent where you can prove how you meet our notability criteria for people, you can submit it for review. Just click the Submit the draft for review! button I have added to the draft.

It goes without saying this is free to do. Let me know if you have any questions. Qcne (talk) 12:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so so much, can you really do that EUFilm (talk) 12:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I cant see the submit the draft button EUFilm (talk) 12:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@EUFilm Navigate to the draft (linked above) and you'll see a big blue button in the section at the top. Don't submit it yet: wait until a few more experienced editors have had a chance to tweak it towards acceptability. Meanwhile, you mentioned that he actually blocked my other account too. What account? Unless the scammer was an admin, which seems unlikely, he has no way to block accounts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

my other account was called Film Ireland EUFilm (talk) 12:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I did submit, I don't know how editors can add on to it, sorry about my complete lack of knowledge. My other account was called film ireland but gives me a message that it is blocked and I can only read but no edit EUFilm (talk) 12:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@EUFilm That account name broke the rules about account names (see User talk:Film Ireland) and had nothing to do with the scammer. You then created you present account, which is OK, as described on the old Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, I thought it was very suspicious that everything happened at once, I had that account for a couple of years and I never had problems with it. I didnt use it much TBH EUFilm (talk) 12:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

You see he is following me around I guess

@Drmies: It sounds like they have been moved to another account EUFilm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user ·block log). Could you take a look at it, please? And yes, you are right; they appear to be the customer based on their first few edits at the TH. Thank you. GSS ^💬 13:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually the scammer! EUFilm (talk) 14:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

GSS can you please monitor the activity of this user EUFilm (talk) 15:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

EUFilm I would strongly advise you to STOP accusing respected editors of being scammers. Theroadislong (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

EUFilm (talk) 14:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I did! I needed to refresh the page, thanks so much for your help, I will follow your advice on writing autobiographies and make a conflict of interest disclosure. Thanks so much for the prompt help EUFilm (talk) 12:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@EUFilm he said I will never be able to have an article about me. He is lying. Assuming you pass WP:NACTOR and can verify that with references, then there is no obstacle to an article about you appearing. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this advice too EUFilm (talk) 12:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@EUFilm The review process is iterative. Having a draft declined (pushed back for further work) is normal. This essay may be of use to you. It is one of many describing a process for creating drafts which are acceptable, assuming notability is proven. That last is fundamental to acceptance. So you have work to do, and it should be fun. Just take the advice of the reviewer(s).

However, there is an important and unanswered question. What is the purpose behind your desire for an article about you to be published? Thyere is only on good reason, which is verifiable notability. Set agains that there are many bad reasons, the most awkward is a desire for publicity. Remember, you will not own the article. Assuming you have done questionable (and verifiable) things then editors are free to add them. I am not accusing you of having dome any. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Ref. mentioned by others gets in reflist made by you

On talk pages, sometimes you use citations and sources, or that they get added when you mention some part from the article. After this you put {{reflist}}{{reftalk}} on bottom of your comment (if I am right). What this may do, is that citations mentioned by others who had not used {{reflist}}{{reftalk}} under their own comment, will get added in the {{reflist}}{{reftalk}} you added below your comment. What to do in such situations? Thanks, ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

By any chance if you didn't understand the question, example at User:ExclusiveEditor/sandbox. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: I'd just move {{reftalk}} below everyone's comments, though with the reply tool, that shouldn't happen if you added the aforementioned template after your signature. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Yes, a part of my doubt was if you could add the template below other's comments. If we could, this would be tedious if the talk page is long with many users using citations without {{reftalk}}, although such situation is rare. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Whats up buttercuyp

sdf 199.235.193.64 (talk) 14:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Please clarify your question, or else it seems nonsense. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

My article was rejected due to not citing enough reliable sources. However, the page I am creating is about a local business. The sources I had used so far have been sources from the business website itself, but I have added some more from local newspapers talking about the business. Would these be classed as more reliable sources? I am struggling a bit. Smolenskycollection (talk) 14:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

If there are not many independent secondary sources available, you should get that the local business may not be notable enough to have a page on Wikipedia. See WP:ORGCRIT ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

answer

Hi! How to answer some questions in the help desk/Teahouse? NeD1a [[User:Nedia020415|Nedia020415] (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nedia020415 You can press the "reply" button right next to the questions to answer them. Hanoifun (talk) 15:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun Without being a teahouse host?NeD1a [[User:Nedia020415|Nedia020415] (talk) 15:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nedia020415: Welcome to the Teahouse. Some people that have been around long enough like to give themselves the moniker, but anyone's allowed to answer provided they know what they're talking about. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

My Reply to a Comment in a Talk Section Keeps Being Deleted

Hi All,

I started a thread here that has been acceptable to the editors [Talk:1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight]

Then I replied to Levivich's reply to my own post and it is being deleted over and over again by [SelfStudier]. Given that this is the Talk section and I am citing my sources, I do not understand why I am getting deleted. Can someone pls help or explain? Lionbear10 (talk) 14:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:PIA, only editors with 500 edits and 30 days on their account are allowed to participate in discussions regarding topics relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As a non-EC editor, you are allowed to make simple and uncontroversial edit requests (e.g. identifying grammatical errors), using the WP:Edit request template, and are not allowed to further argue the case for your edit if it is declined.

I/P topics, alongside the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and the Holocaust, represent the topics on Wikipedia that are the most stringently restricted, due to past, pervasive disruption related to these topics. For what it's worth, you were expressly notified about all of this on your talk page about an hour before you made this Teahouse post. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Why won't my reference turn into a note ?

Why won't the [13] turn into a [Note 1] even after I changed it ? As shown here : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fusajiro_Yamauchi&oldid=1223950989 DanganMachin (talk) 15:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi DanganMachin. The name= field in a reference isn't for what you were hoping there, it's for reusing references not labeling them. {{notetag}} does what you wanted, I've added it to the article so it should be rendering as you wanted now. -- D'n'B-t -- 16:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much ! DanganMachin (talk) 18:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Template categories

Hello, could someone explain templete categories to me? I noticed that the majority of uncategorized pages are templates but don’t really know how to categorize them. Fernmyne (talk) 19:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Wiki source codes to format quotations

Where's the help to lookup the source codes that are available to format quotations? I believe that Visual Editor makes formatting visually easier, but it's not available everywhere on Wikipedia.

I know the source codes are different when composing in an article versus in a Talk page's topic. For example, a block quotation's source code in a Talk page should be: {{Talk quote block|text=block}}. rootsmusic (talk) 19:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: Welcome to the Teahouse. Does Category:Talk namespace quotation templates help? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes @Tenryuu, thanks! Is there a way that I can bookmark it within Wikipedia (not with my browser)? (I think that the Watchlist is to monitor a page's edits.) rootsmusic (talk) 20:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic When I started editing here, I encountered the same problem. I first bookmarked really interesting pages in a dedicated section of my main userpage see here. But I subsequently created a separate subpages for the myriad of lesser, but nevertheless quite valuable pages I encountered that I wanted to refer back to. See User:Nick Moyes/infopages. Sadly both pages are a bit of a mess, but that's just me. Maybe you'll be better organised! Hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: I haven't discovered a feature in Wikipedia (desktop version, anyway) that does what you're looking for. I just do what Nick Moyes does and made a subpage (e.g., User:Tenryuu/Useful templates) that links to them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

New article needs to contain more info

This article needs some more work and I wanted help knowing where I should start.

Abuse in special education 172.56.201.12 (talk) 19:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Gosh, it is really very poor, isn't it? I would suggest that your approach should be roughly in this order.

• Read the article
• Read each reference thoroughly
• Re-read the article and ask yourself if there were any key facts in those references that were missing from the article.
• Critique the current article and think what anyone wanting to know about the topic might expect to find within it.
• Consider all the sections of the article, both present and missing. The lead is very weak and doesn't even wikilink to Special education (make sure you read through that first, too) Think whether the article needs a section on laws, international children's charters, support groups, prosecutions of extreme cases, etc.
• Make a list of key things missing from the article and go look for sources that would help you fill those gaps.
• So, how prevalent is abuse in special education? (I found one sources in a few seconds suggesting it's 4 times as likely to happen than in normal schooling, but maybe there are national or cultural variations?) Is it more likely in certain settings or with certain groups of special education needs, or certain ages?
• Try to find academic studies on the subject, not salatious news stories that talk about one particular incident at one school somewhere. UNICEF type-reports, not tabloid media tales.
• Try using Google Books to find best academic or scholarly sources. Read and reread the sources, maybe working in your sandbox to collate additional text and citations ( or in a wordprocessor if you prefer)
• Think globally - most editors seem to take an Americo-centic perspective, but this is surely a worldwide issue? If so, demonstrate it with sources. How have different countries addressed the issue?

Whatever you do, write new content in your own words and enjoy the challenge of being able to turn a poor article into something quite, erm, encyclopaedic! Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't believe such a weak article was published in Wikipedia! It looks like what you'd expect only at a draft stage. I'm really surprised the article has been up for a few months (I checked its History page) without receiving at least one tag pointing out the need for specific further work to be done on it.

Nick has laid out a good comprehensive set of steps for you, but I'd like to add to the discussion by saying how I'd start out if I were taking on that article — assuming I didn't have a strong background of knowledge about abuse in special education beyond what I've read in the news. I'd do a quick Net search on ABUSE SPECIAL EDUCATION ... then skim through the Results list for sources with titles that seem to be about the topic at a general level ... then I'd go to those sources to get an overall idea of the situation.

— For instance, I'd want to know the different areas within special education where abuse has occurred most.

— And depending on how broad I wanted to make the article, I'd also try to get an idea of where the abuse has particularly been found to occur (like, just in the US? or worldwide?).

Once I felt a bit familiar with the situation — but not until! — I'd start moving ahead on the job.

This is a more "top-down" approach than others might find works best. For them, a more "bottom-up" approach might work better. The world, after all, can be divided into those who are more deductive and those who are more inductive when approaching new tasks and learning new material. Of course, there are also many folks in between; even so, most of us lean somewhat more in one direction than the other.

I mention all this because you have a pretty big job ahead of you with that article, and knowing yourself in this way can help get things off to a productive start. Good luck. You're brave to take this article on! Augnablik (talk) 21:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Eesh... I've fixed some of the more egregious grammar problems. Cremastra (talk) 22:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question on picture copyright.

Can I use a picture I found that while I can't find the copyright is more likely than not in the public domain ? As it is a picture of someone who died in 1929, meaning it is at least 95 years old and more likely even older than that ? DanganMachin (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

On second look, it would seem the image is already present on Wikipedia Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fusajiro_Yamauchi.png) and is in the public domain anyway. DanganMachin (talk) 21:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

formatting paragraph to collapse text

(Thanks @Nick Moyes for the examples from your User page.) In a Talk page, I've striked-out my own paragraphs because they were wrong. How can I also collapse the striked-out paragraphs to not clutter the topic? rootsmusic (talk) 21:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

You can use the template {{collapse}}. For example:

This is my title for this box.
Some text that I'm hiding.

Cremastra (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Cremastra! I successfully followed your reply's source code. (I appreciate @2NumForIce's helpfulness too.) rootsmusic (talk) 23:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Rootsmusic, to collapse a topic on a talk page use {{cot}} (collapse top) and {{cob}} (collapse bottom):

{{cot|Reason or title}}
Topic goes here...
{{cob}}

If you have more questions, don't hesitate to ask at the Teahouse and learn about editing Wikipedia through our introduction. Happy editing! ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 22:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I mean, it depends on the length. If it's a long section, absolutely use the template 2NumForIce described, but if it's just a small part of one of your own comments, {{collapse}} is easier. Cremastra (talk) 22:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Cremastra! I successfully followed your reply's source code. (I appreciate @2NumForIce's helpfulness too.) rootsmusic (talk) 23:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox formatting

I'm having trouble with an infobox on this page. I would like the item "Leia Organa Solo (daughter)" to stay on one line, like it does on this page. I can't figure out how to do it. I even tried putting it under the "family" heading like it is on Vader page, but that didn't do the trick. Wafflewombat (talk) 22:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hmm... using &thinsp as used at Darth Vader doesn't work, inexplicably, and &nbsp breaks it up in an ugly way. Cremastra (talk) 22:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

The only difference I can see between those two pages is that the padding in the middle of the infobox for Darth Vader skews a little more to the left than Padmé Amidala. I'm not sure if the {{show}} templates are affecting the spacing in the former. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wafflewombat. I don't know why but the line wrapping in the long image caption in Padmé Amidala causes the first data column to be a little wider than necessary to hold the longest text "First appearance", and then the second column doesn't have room for "Leia Organa Solo (daughter)". If the caption instead forces a newline with <br /> before or after "in" [6] then the issue goes away for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

You're brilliant! Thanks a bunch! Wafflewombat (talk) 01:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

editing sources

Apparently sources, in this case a typo in a source, cannot be edited. Is this correct? Simoncreates (talk) 02:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Simoncreates. Without knowing more specifics, it's hard to give you anything but a general answer. If the typo is in content about a source that was added to a Wikipedia page (e.g a citation template), then it possibly can be edited. On the other land, if the typo is in something find on an external website that is being cited as a source on a Wikipedia page, then there's no way to edit that via Wikipedia. If you can provide some more details about this typo, then it would be easier for someone to give you a better answer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Simoncreates: Small typos can be corrected. Larger errors should use {{sic}}. See WP:SIC for more info. If you have a specific case in mind, more specific advice can be given. RudolfRed (talk) 02:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)