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Lawrence Wong in 2023
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Glossary[edit]

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  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

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  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Headers[edit]

  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
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    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...[edit]

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
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  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates[edit]

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  • Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors.
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May 16[edit]

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2024 New Caledonia unrest[edit]

Article: 2024 New Caledonia unrest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Protests break out in New Caledonia, a territory of France in the Pacific, over voting rights changes. (Post)
News source(s): NPR AP The Guardian
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Protests going on in New Caledonia. Not sure if the scale of the protests qualify for ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mild support lets see how things go for a bit first Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EU investigation of Meta Platforms[edit]

Article: Meta Platforms (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Commission has opened an investigation into Meta Platforms over concerns of child safety. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian AP News Yahoo! Finance
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--MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The EU, the FTC, and others have investigations open against Meta and many other big tech firms over various practices. Should a significant finding and penalty come out of those, that would be the time to post, but not at the start of any such investigation. --Masem (t) 12:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merely starting an investigation. If they're convicted of something, or get a huge fine, maybe we can reconsider. Also, the update to the article is one short sentence, giving no more information than is in the blurb, so even if this was important enough there wouldn't be enough encyclopaedic material to post in ITN. Modest Genius talk 12:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The BBC report says that it's not just Meta,

    A number of big tech firms are now under investigation for potential breaches of the EU's tough new Digital Services Act ... their algorithms, may stimulate behavioural addictions in children, as well as create so-called 'rabbit-hole effects'," the EU said announcing the investigation. Rabbit-hole effects refer to the propensity of algorithms, when a user looks at one piece of harmful content, to suggest more of the same.

    Sounds just like Wikipedia. I can give it up any time I want... Andrew🐉(talk) 15:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please point to the algorithm that has been created in software by the WMF that suggests other pages to look at. We have curated links and See Alsos by editors but that's clearly not what EU is evaluating. — Masem (t) 16:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not the level we require for ITN. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose maybe if it gets banned but not now Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sumatra flash floods and cold lava[edit]

Article: 2024 West Sumatra floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 62 people have died and 25 are missing after flooding and a lahar in Indonesia's West Sumatra province. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NY Times, The Guardian, Al jazeera
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Ainty Painty (talk) 06:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 15[edit]

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RD: Darren Dutchyshen[edit]

Article: Darren Dutchyshen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tsn.ca/long-time-tsn-broadcaster-darren-dutchyshen-passes-away-at-57-1.2121798 , https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/darren-dutchyshen-tsn-dead-1.7206065 , https://ca.news.yahoo.com/long-time-tsn-broadcaster-darren-144136127.html
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian sportscaster. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kamla Beniwal[edit]

Article: Kamla Beniwal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today, Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Governor of three different states in India, amongst many other things. Not ready yet (orange tags and citations needed), but it looks like editors are working on improving it. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Article has a lot of unsourced parts and neutrality is disputed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Shooting of Robert Fico, Prime Minisiter of Slovakia[edit]

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Article: Attempted assassination of Robert Fico (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Prime Minister of Slovakia Robert Fico (pictured) is hospitalised after an assassination attempt (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Developing story, incident will likely have dedicated article soon. Robert Fico, the Prime Minister of Slovakia, was shot in what appears to be an attempted assassination. He has been hospitalised - at present his situation/prognosis is unclear. LukeSurl t c 13:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC) edit: changed target article to recently created Shooting of Robert Fico. --LukeSurl t c 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability Regardless of what happens next, a prime minister getting shot is notable enough to blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but the one-sentence update is insufficient for posting. We should wait for more details to come in.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the article is further developed now. Details are slowly arriving as well.ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 14:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This incident is noticeable, because it is a head of government being shot, which should never happen, but is notable enough to blurb.
TomMasterRealTALK 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability as the page isn't fully done yet but hopefully once more depth is added it's ready. A head of state or government getting shot is notable enough for a blurb. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait at least a few hours for details to emerge and a proper article to be written. We're not a breaking news service, an encyclopaedic article needs to be developed first. This absolutely merits a blurb, but the shooting was only an hour ago and we don't know the outcome yet, let alone the details of what happened and why. Modest Genius talk 14:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability but details are still emerging and article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on principle but wait at least a few hours per above. Estreyeria (talk) 15:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for a few hours then Support This is certainly making headlines but the article should probably be developed more before we add it.-FusionSub (talk) 16:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait for expansion. LiamKorda 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it easily meets notability--a head of government being shot. But wait for the full details and any updates, as Fico is reportedly in a life-threatening condition. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "what appears to be an assination attempt"... so is it an assination attempt?
CheetasOnMission (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article quality has evolved past stub and is in acceptable condition to be posted Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll post this when the lead is longer than one sentence and we source fewer tweets. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - article looks ready. User:Muboshgu, the lead is now 3 sentences and lots of references. No tweets jump out at me. Nfitz (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good given the sources that are out there. I'm sure it'll get expanded once more is known. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Braganza (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted -- KTC (talk) 18:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Gudrun Ure[edit]

Article: Gudrun Ure (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Scottish actress best known for Super Gran. Article is a stub and needs expanding, which I shall make a start on now. Edit: better now, still a little short but there's enough there. Black Kite (talk) 13:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the page is expanded and more depth is added, then it'll be ready. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can't see that there's an issue with this one now, so I've marked it ready. Black Kite (talk) 22:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Russian Kharkiv Offensive[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.



Article: 2024 Kharkiv offensive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A second front opens in the Russo-Ukrainian War, as Russian forces invade Kharkiv Oblast. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A second front opens in the Russo-Ukrainian War, as Russian forces invade Kharkiv Oblast.
Credits:
Ok, I know, I know. This is ongoing, however the new Russian offensive is front-page news on almost every site. My main argument is that we posted events in the 2023 Ukrainian Summer Offensive, and this new Russian offensive has taken just as much land as Ukraine did last year, and is the first time a new front has opened since the invasion in 2022. It's a significant development in the conflict that warrants a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as what seems to be a major turning point in the conflict. I'll note that it has been argued by some to be a feint to divert Ukrainian resources from Donetsk, but the extent of the operation makes me doubt that. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered by ongoing, and it's too early to tell if this is going to be a major development. Now, if Kharkiv falls, I'd support that as a significant development. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support even if this is covered by ongoing it still is a major development. Lukt64 (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because this is already covered by the ongoing item. I warned that such a major escalation that would warrant inclusion might happen one day when nominating the ongoing item for removal last year. It was better to remove then and re-post a blurb followed by a move to ongoing, but there was simply no support for it, so let it be as it is now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now since although it is a major development and a turning point in the war, it is already covered in ongoing. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. If the Russians capture Kharkiv, that would be worth a blurb. At present this is just the beginnings of a long-anticipated offensive (not a 'second front', given there are several already), so can be left to ongoing. Modest Genius talk 14:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose posting this will open a floodgate. Soon stories about ISreal-Gaza war will be nominated then there will arguments that this was nominated and there will some who will say this was different. So, in order to avoid that it is best to not post this. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a new front in the war opening in Southern Lebanon, for example, would be very much blurb worthy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip 15:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by ongoing. LiamKorda 16:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) PM of Singapore[edit]

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Articles: Lawrence Wong (talk · history · tag) and Lee Hsien Loong (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore following the resignation of Lee Hsien Loong (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the resignation of Lee Hsien Loong, Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore
Alternative blurb II: ​ After ruling for nearly twenty years, Lee Hsien Loong resigns and Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore
Alternative blurb III: ​ After nearly two decades, Lee Hsien Loong resigns as Prime Minister of Singapore, succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured)
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In Singapore, Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister when Lee Hsien Loong retires.
Alternative blurb V: Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore, succeeding Lee Hsien Loong, who becomes Senior Minister of Singapore.
Alternative blurb VI: Lee Hsien Loong steps down after nearly 20 years as Prime Minister of Singapore, and is succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured).
News source(s): BBC, AP News, Reuters
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Could not quite figure out how to word this blurb in the best way. Lee Hsien Loong has ruled Singapore for nearly twenty years and his successor, Lawrence Wong, is taking over today. Figured highlighting both extensive articles because of the rare transfer of power in Singapore. --Classicwiki (talk) 04:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support blurb II , Important to note that Lee Hsien Loong has been in power for many years User:GodzillamanRor (talk) 02:18, 17 May 2024 UTC [refresh]
  • Support The articles seem ok. I've added a blurb with two features: mention Singapore at the outset, to establish the context. And use the word "retire" rather than "resign" as this change seems to be mainly age-related. Two other points which would be hard to fit in are that this seems to be the end of the Lee family political dynasty and that the succession seems to have been stage-managed rather than being an open election. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose alt 2 - because the Singaporean prime minister is not a ruler. Original blurb or alt blurb are OK, alt 3 and 4 are OK too if edited for grammar. Banedon (talk) 07:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT5 & ALT6 main, ALT1 & ALT2. Oppose any blurb with the "resigned/retired" wording (revised position, whatever Starship said below makes sense to me). S5A-0043Talk 08:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to add that this should only be posted after 8PM Singapore Time (12 noon GMT+0/8AM EDT), as the swearing in will only be taking place at that time. S5A-0043Talk 08:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Officially sworn in: [1][2]. S5A-0043Talk 12:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 I find the Alt burb 3rd to most correct. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Lee has definitely not "retired", he is now a Senior Minister of Singapore. That makes "resigned" misleading as well, as he is still both an MP and Cabinet member. "steps down" is more appropriate, being used by AP, BBC and Reuters above, and by Singaporean media as well. Proposed ALT5 and ALT6. starship.paint (RUN) 13:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, "steps down" is fine. My concern with the word "resign" is that it carries connotations of failure or scandal and that doesn't seem appropriate here. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed with you as well. LHL was still an MP and part of cabinet (as Senior Minister). There was no indication of retirement nor resignation, and the explanation was also justified. Sculture65 (talk) 14:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT6; Oppose ALT1, ALT2 and ALT4 - This one was very appropriate in context, compared to the other five. And I also agree on each other comments as well that PM Lee had not retired from politics either; it's just only becoming Senior Minister instead and had not ruled out of retirement. Also, congratulations to him as well, best wishes to him. Sculture65 (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment (also opposing ALT3 and original) - Resignation is not the right word either; if that was resignation, it refer to exiting the parliament or office, and it can be confusing to readers if that word was used without proper clarification. Step down is a more proper, appropriate verb in this case. Sculture65 (talk) 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and suggestion - Just go with that ALT6 and with this point blurb, it was rather making more sense and proper. It also shows that PM Lee still remain as cabinet and MP and Lawrence Wong assuming PM-ship. I have to oppose original, ALT1, ALT2 and ALT3 (because of the word resignation), as well as ALT4 (again, PM Lee did not retire). ALT5 was a bit too long though. Sculture65 (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT5 and ALT6 as they are the most appropriate in context. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT6 gets my vote. However, the next Singaporean general election (an ITN/R event as well) will be held no later than November 2025, which will be more significant than this change of leadership. – robertsky (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support with any of the blurbs CheetasOnMission (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Diane Deans[edit]

Article: Diane Deans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2024/05/14/diane-deans-passes-away/ , https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/former-ottawa-city-councillor-diane-deans-dies-after-5-year-cancer-battle-1.6886892 , https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/diane-deans-who-sat-on-ottawa-city-council-for-28-years-has-died-1.7198785
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ottawa City Councillor. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Don Perlin[edit]

Article: Don Perlin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://comicbook.com/comics/news/moon-knight-co-creator-don-perlin-dies-94/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American comic book artist. Co-creator of Moon Knight, Bloodshot and others. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Netiporn Sanesangkhom[edit]

Article: Netiporn Sanesangkhom (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thai political activist. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC76:F38C:52DD:4499 (talk) 16:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shirley Conran[edit]

Article: Shirley Conran (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Quite a big name in her day. I'd be suggesting a blurb but we don't have a free picture, alas. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support , article is well sourced and easy to read Sharrdx (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per above. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 16:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Works is entirely unreferenced. Stephen 00:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Alice Munro[edit]

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Article: Alice Munro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Canadian short story writer and Nobel laureate Alice Munro (pictured) dies at age 92 (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Awards and honours are largely unsourced. Mooonswimmer 16:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have went through and cited most of them. I think the dates on one or two of them are wrong, and some sources contradict each other, but overall in much better shape. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks in good shape. I'll be bold to even suggest blurb support given how she "revolutionized" short stories and most of her obituaries describe her as a pioneer of short storytelling. I know she was in her 90s, but it appears she was at the top of field in terms of storytelling/short storytelling. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article looks good. Support blurb due to her Nobel Prize and significance as a short story writer, especially an Anglophone writer. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Simply being a Nobel winner is not sufficient for a blurb. There should be a significant amount of discussion on the article to demonstrate they were considered a great figure in their field. — Masem (t) 21:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @Masem: Currently working on a legacy section that ideally would show how her works impacted the short story form. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      There is perhaps some parts under the Writing header that could be moved under the new Legacy section like the comparison to Chekhov. Masem (t) 04:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks for the note. Did just that. I'll try expanding her legacy/career sections some more, but I think the writing section covers parts where the career section doesn't. I'd like the idea to make the writing section a subsection of her career section, but not sure if it's the right move. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb We're not blurbing every Nobel prize winner. There's around, 10 per year? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chaotic Enby: From my perspective at least, I'm supporting a blurb not because she won a Nobel prize, but because of her impact in the short story writing field. She has been widely described as a master and influential figure in that field. Currently adding a legacy section to demonstrate this. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    She has 105 wiki pages, that is more than other Nobel laureates. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, but on quality For someone who is being suggested as a blurb, I'd expect a far more in-depth article than this - it's less than 2000 words of prose. That's not to deprecate the work that people have done on it today - that was great - but it's simply too thin. Her "Career" section is ridiculously short and writes off entire decades in a sentence. For example From the 1980s to 2012, Munro published a short-story collection at least once every four years. First versions of Munro's stories have appeared in journals such as The Atlantic Monthly, Grand Street, Harper's Magazine, Mademoiselle, The New Yorker, Narrative Magazine, and The Paris Review. Her collections have been translated into 13 languages That's it for 30 years? Black Kite (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Black Kite: I'll expand her career section, but (from what I think) the areas that aren't covered in the career section are covered in the writing section, hence me mulling making the writing section a subsection of the career section. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per Black Kite. Why is this now a blurb nom? Because she's a Nobel laureate? Are we going to have blurb discussions for every Nobel laureate? We shouldn't. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair, my rationale for a blurb is not that she's a nobel winner, it's that (based on obits/commentary about her works/justifications for awards) describe her as a pioneer in short story telling with her works leveling her to top of her field in terms of a writer. That's why I support this nom being a blurb. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - Top of her field, winner of numerous top prizes and honors (not just the Nobel), an iconic female writer… and now that TDKR Chicago has laudably expanded the legacy section, I get a much better idea of her importance and in ITN terms, “blurb-worthiness.” The ITN opposes leave me utterly unconvinced, and I’m with TDKR’s rebuttal above. Every obit I have seen mentions her major impact on the short story form and her substantial influence therein, giving a female point of view at a time when it was not a common phenomenon as well as in many of her works a Canadian perspective. Inclusive, of international interest, and highly worthy of a front page Wikipedia blurb in the ITN feature. To those on the fence, I suggest reading an obit or two. The NYT one is good as is this onein The Guardian. Jusdafax (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, got every writing award that exists. Top of the field. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb I'm usually hesitant about death blurbs for writers mostly due to the Nobel Prize hype, but Alice Munro was clearly a great and notable short-story writer with numerous notable awards won, yet definitely not at the level of Chekhov.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Blurbs are only for people of huge global significance like Thatcher or Mandela. Winning a Nobel prize is impressive, but there are far too many such to post them all when they pass away.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD Only Doesn't rise to the level of significance that warrants a blurb. Transformative in a somewhat niche field - short story writing, a subset of literature - but if everyone at this level of significance got a blurb, there would be a death blurb every few days. 1779Days (talk) 09:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb I think she was clearly an influential writer and is blurb-worthy considering she is the first person to be awarded Nobel Prize exclusively for their short stories. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - Surely being a Noble laureate alone is not sufficient cause to justify a blurb given the criteria we have established. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 12:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @WaltCip: & @Amakuru:: My rationale (as stated in previous comments) for pushing for a blurb on this is not because she's a nobel winner. My rationale is because she is clearly an influential figure in her respective field, in this case the writing field of short stories. Her obits, as Jusdafax pointed out, highlight how much of a pioneer and "master" she was of short storytelling hence why I added the legacy section to reflect the impact she had. Recently we blurbed Peter Higgs, but from what I understood, we didn't blurb him because he was a nobel winner, but because he was at the top of his field. I felt that Higgs would've gotten blurbed with or without a nobel win, hence my reasoning behind Munro's nom. Sure it's a plus she got a nobel, but the impact her work had on the field of short storytelling would not have had a lesser impact has she not gotten the nobel. Take the time to read her legacy section and some obits like from the NYT, Guardian, BBC, CNN and you'll see why I'm nominating her. She has been regarded the top of her field and an influential writer at that. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think if you look back over the years, you'll see that being "top of the field" isn't really enough. Examples like Kirk Douglas and Vera Lynn, you could argue those guys were leading in their field and well known, but they were not blurbed. Blurbs are really the exception not the rule for exceptional high-profile cases, the default is to post in RD.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So Munro shouldn't get blurbed because Douglas and Lynn didn't get blurbed? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Munro, Douglas and Lynn shouldn't and didn't get blurbed because being "top of the field" isn't really enough. That Douglas and Lynn weren't blurbed first is just a matter of having been born first. Outstanding careers all around, but as far as death goes, the only noteworthy thing between them are 299 years of earlier work. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted RD, discussion can continue Stephen 00:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD:Cyril Wecht[edit]

Article: Cyril Wecht (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:
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American forensic pathologist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose various cn tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sushil Kumar Modi[edit]

Article: Sushil Kumar Modi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
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Indian Politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose positions held section needs sourcing and there are some paragraphs ending without a footnote. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article reads well and overall, it's adequately referenced. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lots of unreferenced material. Stephen 00:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Samm-Art Williams[edit]

Article: Samm-Art Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
Article updated
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American actor and playwright. 240F:7A:6253:1:D5ED:1620:B68D:586C (talk) 01:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose multiple cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Birubala Rabha[edit]

Article: Birubala Rabha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ThePrint
Credits:

Article updated
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Indian Anti-witch hunting activist. Article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Arthur Irving[edit]

Article: Arthur Irving (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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Canadian billionaire businessman who owned Irving Oil, a part of the family-owned conglomerate Irving Group of Companies. B3251 (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove Myanmar civil war from ongoing[edit]

Article: Myanmar civil war (2021–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Insufficient updates to the main article for ongoing. Last 50 edits go back to April, no significant updates for May. Stephen 01:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Timeline The timeline has an update for May so we should add that like the other wars. The NYT recently published a detailed briefing so it's still in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think one update for the month of May is sufficient, especially when compared to, let's say, the Ukraine war, which was multiple updates every single day. Support removal. DecafPotato (talk) 07:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I just added two significant developments and so now May has three entries. It was easy. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mild support removal with regular review - The situation is rapidly changing, and I think there could be new developments in the future that make this notable again. But as of now, it's not being updated or covered enough to be ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Checking news sites now gives me multiple such as AP, and Al Jazeera which both have articles out about the conflict in the last week. While I agree that this has gotten significantly less coverage then other wars it is not quite ready to pull. I think that the lack of news coverage is due to overshadowing and english audiences not having interest. The conflict is a bit confusing for major sources to run regular stories on. We need to wait to make a decicion, though I agree that there needs to be disscussion on removing it. Normalman101 (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC) AP ALJ[reply]
Oppose article not getting update is a editing issue. Because otherwise the fighting is still very much going on. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if an event is ongoing, if no one is bothered to update our article, that is reason to remove from ongoing. — Masem (t) 20:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For an article to remain listed on ongoing, it must be being actively updated. That there is still fighting occurring does not matter if the article is not receiving updates. Curbon7 (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. LiamKorda 17:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it's still ongoing. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant, the article is not being updated. Stephen 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ongoing's become a pointless "what wars flared up in the last 1.5 years" ticker. Many wars around the world are still ongoing, the Myanmar civil war simply is not in the news enough to justify keeping it here. AryKun (talk) 11:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to the fact that the war is still very much ongoing and active Lukt64 (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant, the article is not being updated. Stephen 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal - items listed at ongoing are supposed to illustrate near-daily levels of significant updates to match what should be near-daily levels of new news coverage. That's not happening here. Plus, with three other far more active conflicts, we don't need what was an inflammation of long-term tensions that since has died down to be kept at ongoing. --Masem (t) 00:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed. Although there is some opposition, oppose arguments did not take into account lack of sufficiently regular article updates to keep the article in the ongoing section. Can consider renomination if this changes in the future. SpencerT•C 05:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose close, even if not all "Oppose" arguments took into account the lack of update, there was still nothing close to a consensus for removal. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 05:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For context, the beginning of May alone has 4 daily entries in the timeline article, so discounting the arguments against removal with a "lack of sufficiently regular article updates" is ultimately subjective. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 05:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal The article is not receiving sufficient updates to remain on ongoing, indicating this has become just another episode of Myanmar's 80-year civil war. Curbon7 (talk) 05:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 12[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Politics and elections

Sports


RD: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury[edit]

Article: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://tdpelmedia.com/noble-tragedy-unfolds-8th-marquess-of-ailesbury-plunges-to-his-death-in-london-accident-while-attending-to-pet/ , https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-model-ex-suffers-32810710
Credits:

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British peer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clive Johnstone[edit]

Article: Clive Johnstone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2024/05/16/vice-admiral-sir-clive-johnstone-nato-hms-bulwark-beirut/ , https://www.everand.com/article/732513714/Tributes-Paid-To-Extraordinary-Royal-British-Legion-President
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British Royal Navy Vice Admiral. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Sanborn[edit]

Article: David Sanborn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

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Amwrican saxophonist. Orange tag. Sincerely, Dilettante 22:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose orange tag: discography, filmography, Broadcasting and Recordings sections are all unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support after cleanup. Influential saxophonist in the jazz fusion era. dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: A. J. Smith[edit]

Article: A. J. Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

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NFL executive, needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready two cn tags needs to be fixed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab, I updated, re-arranged, and found some sources. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready article is good enough now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods[edit]

Article: 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 500 people died due to floods in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Flash floods in Baghlan Province, Afghanistan, kill at least 131 people.
Alternative blurb II: Flash floods in Baghlan Province, Afghanistan, kill at least 131 people, bringing the total death toll to floods from this season to almost 500.
News source(s): The Guardian, AP, BBC, VOA, CNN
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 06:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support article should be expanded a bit but otherwise it looks okay. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but needs to be expanded. LiamKorda 10:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stale. The floods began in March. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks decent enough with continued coverage.BabbaQ (talk) 13:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mostly Stale Some death and bodycounting continues, but the lion's share was in March and April; maybe Ongoing works? InedibleHulk (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ongoing would imply regular blurb-worthy updates, which doesn't appear to be the case here. Disagree with that possibility. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On second look, you're right. I saw May news in the reflist, but not in the body. I choose Oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Misleading, appears like 500 people died suddenly while this wasn't the case, this happened during a period of two months. Also, the current merge discussion is still open, and already was last time this was discussed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all above. Stale. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The floods in Baghlan, Afghanistan itself with 300 deaths warrants a post ITN. They are definitely not stale, and the article mentions it, thus making the article not stale. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 19:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought I saw May in the body. On third look, you're right. But it's unclear (to me) from reading the sources if these are new deaths or part of a newly updated bodycount. If they're new, you might have a case. But if they've just been Taliban-tallied now, not so much. It'd be weird if ~60% of everyone who's died since March 6 died on Friday. Weirder things happen, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For clarity in those following along at home, the part about what happened in May looks different now. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On 11 May, the Afghan World Food Program office said the floods killed 330 people. Does "On 11 May" refer to the date of the report only (with the deaths being cumulative), or also to the date of the 330 deaths? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the report date, for Afghanistan only (after looking at the sources three times to make sure, anyway). If I were trying to say the floods killed 330 people on 11 May, I'd write it in that order. I can see how it's potentially ambiguous wherever it goes, though; rewrite if you know a clearer way. I'm pretty sure the infobox and lead are overcounting the total somehow, too. But that's just another problem. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's also another UN department telling AFP on May 11 that over 200 died on May 10. That complicates things. The Taliban, in the same news article, announced 62 died that same day (Friday flash flood and Friday report), but that's not necessarily a contradiction, because Saturday (May 11) came later. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As of Saturday (May 11/11 May), the interior ministry counted deaths from the Friday flood in Baghlan province alone at 131 and the UN 218. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Altblurbed to focus on the Baghlan part. As of now, I neither support nor oppose this angle. The article doesn't say enough about it, yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Trying alt2 here to include the death count to date. --Masem (t) 22:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And I changed your "over" to "almost" (330 was mistaken for 430 in an earlier article version). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb 2 the altblurb addresses the above concerns about the clarity of the death toll. FlipandFlopped 02:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Stale item, as mentioned above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not stale per article dates, needs to be expanded as mentioned above, but adaquately sourced and still ongoing Normalman101 (talk) 18:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 11[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections


RD: Terry Blair (serial killer)[edit]

Article: Terry Blair (serial killer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://abc17news.com/cnn-regional/2024/05/16/kansas-city-serial-killer-terry-blair-convicted-of-killing-several-women-dead-at-62/
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American serial killer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Susan Backlinie[edit]

Article: Susan Backlinie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT Fox
Credits:

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First Victim in Jaws and acted in several Spielberg movies Normalman101 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose filmography and other sections are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rewritten, and all text sourced. The filmography box is not sourced but 4 of the 10 films are sourced in the body of the article, and the rest probably can be via the blue links to the films. -- GreenC 01:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I linked to IMDB cast lists for the Filmography box, needs to be cleaned up but the article is looking better thanks to you. Normalman101 (talk) 14:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jasper White (chef)[edit]

Article: Jasper White (chef) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe
Credits:
Article updated
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Chef.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems generally well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose multiple cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab, all cn tags have been addressed. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready marking it ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – robertsky (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ron Ellis[edit]

Article: Ron Ellis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nhl.com/news/ron-ellis-dead-at-79 , https://www.iihf.com/en/news/60859/ron_ellis_1945-2024 , https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/ron-ellis-dead-at-79-1.7201746 , https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ron-ellis-who-played-over-1000-games-with-maple-leafs-dead-at-79/
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Canadian professional ice hockey. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose nearly a dozen cn tags, orange tag and career statistics-International play sections are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb/RD: Roger Corman[edit]

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Article: Roger Corman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American filmmaker Roger Corman (pictured) dies at the age of 98 (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Hollywood Reporter, AP
Credits:

Article updated
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Its going to take a lot of sourcing work to get ready for posting. (Note, died on the 9th but this is first report of his death) --Masem (t) 02:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Support RD once it's up to code. Heck, if I'm willing to be so bold, I would even Support blurb given how he employed/mentored several directors that ended up becoming transformative in the film industry, such as Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, James Cameron, as well as playing a role in launching the extremely influential New Hollywood period. Mount Patagonia (talkcontributions) 04:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD a very significant part of the article is unsourced. Oppose Blurb he is not the most influential filmmaker of our time. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. One of the most influential filmmakers in Hollywood. Had received Academy Award and had decades long career. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb: Once the article is improved. Article shows nobility and how Corman was, according to the article itself, a pioneer of New Hollywood. Definitely influential in his field. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Once article is up to scratch, transformative figure in Cinema. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb He clealrly an influential person in his field but I don't he is blurb-worthy. LiamKorda 10:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, as much I watch B films, off the top of my head I can't name a single Corman-directed film and our article admits his directorial filmography ended by the 1970s. Apparently a less-known tier than Francis Ford Coppola or Steven Spielberg. Brandmeistertalk 13:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb I don’t see how he transformed cinema in the same way his contemporaries Andrei Tarkovsky and Sergio Leone did.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Even as an American, he does not appear to be a truly transformative figure in the film industry way that is necessary to justify a blurb. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD due to lots of unsourced statements, especially in the early parts of his Career section. Oppose blurb in general- old man dies. -- Kicking222 (talk) 15:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, far from the transformative level we expect for a blurb and, while he helped mentor many extremely influential filmmakers, he sadly didn't rise to that level himself. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Once article is up to standards. Important figure in Cinema. Academy Award and had decades long career, 7&6=thirteen () 16:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Old Man Dies Again, no disrespect, but once again, there's nothing to learn from this "news" except how old he finally became. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Shaped our current pop culture landscape as much as, and indeed probably more than, Stan Lee, and we gave him a blurb. Daniel Case (talk) 22:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb So many people can reach the bar of influence that Corman had. We're giving them all death blurbs? We shouldn't. This is what the RD section was made for. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 00:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's at least 30 paragraphs that don't end with a reference. As well as plenty of other unreferenced information. Stephen 00:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Influencial person, with a good article. I won't be so bold as to support a blurb but i think that the definitely deserves the RD. Seems like the issues have been fixed. Normalman101 (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - Seems like some of the issues have been fixed, could use some more sourcing, but overall not bad. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Still a great number of unsourced paragraphs and cn tags. — Masem (t) 16:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready I’ve placed about a dozen citation needed tags plus an orange tag. Schwede66 16:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2024[edit]

Article: Eurovision Song Contest 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Nemo, representing Switzerland, wins the Eurovision Song Contest with "The Code". (Post)
Alternative blurb: Switzerland, represented by Nemo with "The Code", wins the Eurovision Song Contest.
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
  • Comment The event article (i.e. bold Eurovision Song Contest 2024) is ITN/R. Kingsif (talk) 23:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Technical oppose 1. Detailed results (and Bezençon awards) need adding/refs, 2. Split out the controversies with a sufficient summary at the main article. Kingsif (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quality issues There's a few sections lacking sources, but its close. I don't think it matters if the controversy section is split off or not, though key is leaving a key summary would be required. But all the results have combos of prose and tables and most everything is ready. Also, I believe it is still the country that wins the award, not the performer (though they still should be named) so it should be something like "Switzerland, represented by the song "The Code" performed by Nemo, wins the Eurovision Song Contest 2024". --Masem (t) 23:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Detailed results section needs more refrences. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is way too long and very difficult to read in its current format. Needs some forks in order to make it more reader-friendly. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is way too long to read, due to excessive amounts of detail bordering on WP:TRIVIA like the "postcard" table, complete voting list, and lists of spokespersons. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And Nemo (rapper) article is also barely more than a stub, career section needs significant expansion before this could be considered to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think we usually bold link the artist? Kingsif (talk) 10:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And the contest article has an orange tag for neutrality related to the section on Israel. So all in all, we don't have an article anywhere near meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hopefully resolved that part. Getting the article trimmed? Harder. Kingsif (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The content of the Eurovision articles is governed by the guidelines at WP:EUROVISION, which were updated last year after a discussion. Therefore, so long as a section is in the guidelines it's reasonable to assume that it has some consensus for inclusion. A.D.Hope (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a section has consensus for inclusion in the article, and whether it makes the article too long to read for someone getting there from the Main Page, are two different things. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure they are two different things. If a section has consensus for inclusion then it presumably isn't generally considered to make the article unreasonably long. A particular example of the section in a given Eurovision Song Contest article might be bloated, but it can always be trimmed. A.D.Hope (talk) 22:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, especially given the orange tagged section for neutrality. That's not the kind of stuff we want on the main page. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as of my time, the article has been improved and there are no longer any CN or Neutrality tags (I addressed two outstanding CN tags myself). I respectfully disagree with the concerns about length. The abundance of charts/tables is broadly consistent with how Eurovision articles are formatted - see, for example, Eurovision Song Contest 2023. In terms of the associated controversies and chronology, this article is longer because there is more to say about this year's event: it was more discussed in the press, it had more politics, more protests, and more drama. An event being MORE discussed resulting in there being MORE to say about it (thus creating a longer article) is the exact reason the article should make it to ITN... not vice versa. It seems strange and very bureaucratic for "this event was more notable and more widely discussed this year, and I don't like how that that made the article longer" to be essentially the reason that this nom is torpedoed. It is ITNR. FlipandFlopped 02:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It still has the WP:TRIVIA like the "postcard" table, complete voting list, and lists of spokespersons. Removing or condensing those into a couple of paragraphs of text would make the article more manageable to read. Just because it's similar to other years, that doesn't mean that those aren't trivia. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have commented out the postcard table for now pending a discussion whether this does violate TRIVIA. I strongly dispute the claim that spokespersons and the complete voting breakdown would constitute trivia however. The spokespersons are seen on camera and considerable media attention is given, within Eurovision fandom and also elsewhere, about who each country chooses as their spokesperson, and their "performance" on the night. As for the "complete voting list" I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this? Are you referring to the voting tables in the "Detailed results" section? I would imagine that in a contest where countries vote for each other's entries that how each country voted would be incredibly relevant to the article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, I agree with you completely. The postcards are indeed pushing it, but everything else mentioned by @Joseph2302 are, in fact, the exact sort of content which I would anticipate that someone who types "Eurovision 2024" on Wikipedia to be searching for. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if people are searching up the article, not reading most of the "substance", and beelining it just to those tables for the easy quick reference guide that they offer. The tables are one of the most valuable parts of the article! FlipandFlopped 21:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is good enough to be posted. LiamKorda 17:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article looks good and is ready as stated above, quality issues seem to be fixed Normalman101 (talk) 18:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023–2024 Georgian protests[edit]

Article: 2023–2024 Georgian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Large-scale protests are held in Georgia over parliamentary backing of a Russian-modelled proposed "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence". (Post)
News source(s): France24 via MSN, The Times, BBC News
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: In the news globally, and the scale of protests is huge given the country's relatively small population, significant globally geo-politically. Today marks probably the biggest amount of people on the streets. The article needs work with the latest updates, and possibly should be split from the (successful) 2023 protests. The blurb I suggested is very clunky therefore please feel free to add alternatives. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment if there were big protests today, the article should have events on May 10/11/12, but the last date involves the arrests of a few people on May 9. Also, I really dislike featuring an article that is 90% proseline, but that's alonger term improvement issue. --Masem (t) 23:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updated with references now. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Important news. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now While these events may be significant enough for a blurb, the article does not have enough up to date information on the recent protests. I only see 2 sentences on events occurring within the past week; that is not enough recent news to warrant a blurb. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:38, 12 May 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]
@Jackattack1597: What is it specifically that you believe is missing that is not already covered by the article? Abcmaxx (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after revision The subject matter is important and the protests are happening now in scale, but the article needs a lot of work. Due to the nature of the article it has far more content about 23'-april 24' then anything happening now. for events after may 3rd there is only 3 sentences I can see. With some work I would say fully support. Normalman101 (talk) 18:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality per Normalman101. FlipandFlopped 21:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update has now been majorly updated and expanded. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is still a lot to be done, but this is hitting the front pages, might need to be split like you suggested before going on main. AP, WP BBC Normalman101 (talk) 15:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't split it unless theres a clear consensus which means a lot more votes and comments on the proposal, and a non-involved admin closes it. If you could specify what exactly you believe needs doing I can try and do it in the meantime Abcmaxx (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support post update. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but oppose on quality. Major protests drawing international attention. The article is long and has a lot of references but is still a mess. There's an ongoing proposal to split it into two, an orange-tagged section, multiple sections of WP:PROSELINE, paragraphs/sections with only one sentence etc. It requires a heavy copyedit and reorganisation of the sections before I would be comfortable making it a bold link in ITN. Modest Genius talk 19:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mary Wells Lawrence[edit]

Article: Mary Wells Lawrence (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American advertising executive.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Interesting and influential subject. One relevant slogan was for Ford, "Quality is Job 1". The quality of this article is fine. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • About 10 {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • About 7 {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Surjit Patar[edit]

Article: Surjit Patar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a bit work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support there is one cn tag but otherwise okay. LiamKorda 10:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Tag has been fixed, and article looks fine for RD. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but this doesn't look ready to me. Schwede66 03:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - multiple CN tags and a clarification needed tag. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging@Schwede66 and @Jalapeño, all the cn tags have been resolved. Please take an another look. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 10[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


RD: Christopher Edley Jr.[edit]

Article: Christopher Edley Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Likely will need more work / expansion. Staraction (talk | contribs) 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerhard Müller (Lutheran theologian)[edit]

Article: Gerhard Müller (Lutheran theologian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ and others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Lutheran theologian and bishop (of Brunswick) who combined both functions. I expanded a stub. German has more detail but sadly without sources, and searches for this very common name are tricky, - help welcome. He died on his 95th birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mary Banotti[edit]

Article: Mary Banotti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Irish politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral article meets bare minimum requirement, but there should more information regarding her 20 years as an MEP. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Peterson[edit]

Article: Jim Peterson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is a need for more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sam Rubin[edit]

Article: Sam Rubin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American TV entertainment reporter. Article tripled in size and fortified with 20+ new references. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 08:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Article looks mostly fine, but there are still some issues. The infobox has some stuff that isn't in the prose and also unsourced, namely the names of his spouses, how long he was married to them and how many children he had with each of them (prose just says that he was twice married and has four kids), and that he won the "Associated Press Television and Radio Award" (not mentioned in prose at all). Also his DoB isn't in the prose and is unsourced as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @MonarchOfTerror: Tried to clean up some of this. There is a bit of a likely circular reference issue with any ref from the last 24 hours. Unfortunately sources about his first wife are nonexistent, so I had to excise that altogether. Was able to cite the DoB. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 18:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 02:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) May 2024 solar storms[edit]

Article: May 2024 solar storms (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Major solar storms impact the Earth, creating displays of Northern Lights (pictured) at southerly latitudes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, NYT, NOAA Space Weather Center
Credits:

Largest solar storm in decades. 75.81.94.213 (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait - the northern lights don't seem to be much further south than has been observed on several occasions during the last year or two. I'd think we'd need something more noteworthy - a power grid failure or something. Nfitz (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, but support The article as it stands right now is seriously underselling it; the aurora has reportedly reached all the way down to Jamaica at 18 degrees north. Ionmars10 (talk) 05:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strike while the iron is hot The aurora is visible right now where it's dark and will persist into the weekend. But it's dawn where I am and so I've missed last night but will be looking out for a recurrence on Saturday night as I've never seen an aurora. As time is of the essence, we should get this posted immediately to alert everyone. Note that this is not just a light show but this major solar storm might affect infrastructure too. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're in the UK right? I wasn't able to catch it in London yesterday. I think there will be some activity tonight as well PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Largest event in many years.... severe effect on radio communications. Ariconte (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Agree with Andrew. Post this now while people can still go outside and see it; no need to wait for a disaster. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 06:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Proposed initial blurb is northern hemisphere biased. Spectacular aurora australis has also been seen much more northerly than usual. dmmaus (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is the largest solar storm in over thirty years, definitely news worthy. The article doesn't have quality issues. --NoonIcarus (talk) 08:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a worldwide event with multiple news and government agencies reporting on it, specifically stating that a storm of this kind hasn't hit the Earth since 2003. I also support dmmaus's comment to reword the blurb, since these aurora are happening in the southern hemisphere too. I'm not sure if I can directly edit the template, but I'd change the blurb to something like "Major solar storms impact Earth, resulting in communication disruptions and displays of aurorae visible at medium-low latitudes " SpacePod9 (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per everyone above me. The linked article is well-referenced and gives a basic overview of what's happening, though I think the article should place a greater emphasis on the fact that these solar storms are the most powerful in over 30 years. Kurtis (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Per everyone else. I see @Dmmaus's point about northern hemisphere bias, as the Aurora Australis has also been intense over Australia, New Zealand, Chile, and Argentina, but the vast majority of the aurora sightings are in the North, and I don't really see a better way to phrase it. Maybe 'displays of the Northern and Southern Lights seen at lower latitudes'. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vast majority? Have you measured it or are you just reaffirming your bias? There have been sightings in both hemispheres, period. Wording it accordingly is the way to go. Bedivere (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 09:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Far too many uncited statements for such a short (barely more than a stub) article, and the thing in the hook about more northerly and southerly latitudes also isn't cited. Posting seems premature.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Finally able to remove this oppose, as the article is OK now (see below). But in future, ITN admins, please don't post at ITN if the article is obviously not up to scratch.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment. The phrasing "than usual" is subjective. We should perhaps list some specific places closest to the equator on each side to indicate extremities of latitude. For example: Florida, Italy/Bulgaria, and South Africa. Or, suggest alternate wording. 70.27.84.88 (talk) 11:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting pull Way too short of an article and there appear to be quality problems with it. Just because its covered worldwide doesn't mean it is ITN appropriate. --Masem (t) 12:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Come on, I think we can make an exception 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:31D5:F0B7:E1DF:125D (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Now the article is in an acceptable state, but it should never have been posted as it was. Article quality remains a requirement for any featured link on the main page (not just an ITN requirement). Masem (t) 16:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't Pull By Frank Bainimarama standards, this isn't so uncited (and not even a living person). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's way below the standard at which an article is acceptable for the main page, BLP or otherwise. There's now an entire unreferenced section. SMH. Marking as "attention needed", because unless this is fixed quickly, it needs to be pulled.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was a dubious accusation of assault against another named and linked BLP in the BLP. I agree, SMH. But that's the way the times have changed. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not "the way the times have changed", we don't use the precedent of a badly sourced post to justify another. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. If the rules have changed to allow articles with lots of missing citations and (as initially posted) not even the facts in the blurb properly cited, then I obviously missed that discussion... Anyway finally, many hours later, the article looks OK so withdrawing the "attention needed" at this point. But seriously, the article improvement needs to happen *before* posting, not way later.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue which is literally applicable here. The article is now overcited and this makes source editing quite difficult. Lots of footnotes are not the same thing as quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's a difference between "the sky is blue" and the scientific specifics of a solar storm's strength. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hans Wahlgren[edit]

Article: Hans Wahlgren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4], [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talkcontribs) 17:55, 2024 May 10 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Simons[edit]

Article: Jim Simons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/jim-simons-quant-king-at-renaissance-technologies-dies-at-86, https://www.simonsfoundation.org/2024/05/10/simons-foundation-co-founder-mathematician-and-investor-jim-simons-dies-at-86/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philanthropist, mathematician, and hedge fund manager with a longstanding reputation for success in that field. Article has been updated and looks reasonable to me - no orange tags? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD for the most useful donor to science. Connor Behan (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good and and is pretty big, however it could use another sentence on his death. Normalman101 (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are a couple of footnote-free paragraphs. Both have been {cn}-tagged. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Posted. Thanks for the new footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 22:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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